Building Your Legacy of Abundance with Joel Louis

Get a slice of the pie, but don’t take a slice of mine is a scarcity mindset that holds many people back from living a life of true abundance. If this makes no sense to you, let’s talk it out. Get in involved in the conversation.

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Today’s guest is Joel (pronounced Joe-EL) Louis, founder and CEO of Integrator and Co., a digital marketing agency that helps experts reach more people, scale their business and increase online sales. Joel and his team specialize in funnel strategy, funnel design, funnel repair, and funnel building. In addition to generating millions of dollars and thousands of leads for his clients, Joel is a father of three and is passionate about the intersection of fatherhood and entrepreneurship.

In 2014, Joel Louis decided to merge his love of fatherhood and entrepreneurship into a movement called Startup Dad Headquarters. Through this project, he interviewed over 140 successful entrepreneur dads in order to find the secret formula to building a 6 figure business without losing your family in the process. In 2016, Joel took everything he learned and launched a full-service webinar production agency, which would eventually become Integrator and Co. Within 15 months, he had grown his agency to a 6 figure business with 3 employees. Today, Integrator and Co. is a premier digital marketing firm focusing primarily on designing, building, and repairing funnels for established entrepreneurs. Joel’s family is his WHY and the reason he enjoys being an entrepreneur who has the ability to create the life he wants for his family. Joel lives in the Greater Boston Area and enjoys CrossFit, dancing, and spending time with his three lovely daughters and his wife Koleen.

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Joel Louis:

Well, either we moved to the West coast and we stayed with the company well, and leave all our family behind. Or we go all in with this business thing since I've been doing this research for all this time and we decided to go all in and I started the business and I kid you not like six months after I started actually not even six months. It was a very short period of time after my daughter and I I'm now it's my youngest daughter ended up in the hospital. Welcome to men of

Narrator:

abundance, the podcast for those looking to level up their lives by hanging out with some of the greatest leaders and established professionals in our community, living a life of integrity honor, and the abundance mentality prepare to pay it forward with your host. Former army medic turned lifestyle entrepreneur, Wally Carmichael.

Wally Carmichael:

What is going on you? Amazing abundant leader. I am Wally Carmichael your founder and host of the men of abundance podcast. The pay it forward community proving to you that you can in fact, live in a life of abundance in family, faith, finances, and fitness on your way to having more today in the pre-show. Before we get started with the conversation, I want to talk about pie. I love pie, but not, not necessarily that kind of pie. I want to talk about the pie that everybody says they want a piece of. And I recently had this conversation with somebody I love very much, and this individual has a little bit different view on this. So we got into this conversation. I thought it would be relevant for you to get in on the conversation. And by the way, if you're not in on the conversation, go to our Facebook group, go to Facebook and just search men of abundance. You'll find the Facebook group and you'll find the Facebook page. I would greatly appreciate it if you'd like to Facebook page, make some comments, but definitely request to join the Facebook group. Or we can continue this conversation. Now let's talk about PI. I'm just going to get right to it because I don't want to spend the whole day talking about this. Let's continue the conversation in Facebook, but if you believe that there's only one pie. And there's a limit to how much of the pie is, can be distributed. Meaning if somebody already owns the pie or a large piece of the pie, then there's none left for you. If that's your belief system you've already lost, you cannot possibly live a life of abundance and be an abundant leader by believing such a scarcity mindset. If there, in fact, somebody does own an entire pie, let's say for instance, Facebook or Microsoft, if somebody owns that pie or a large majority of that pie, then go find another pie. There are other pies out there. Let me give you an example. And this is a pretty extreme example, but could you imagine taking on not one but two federally regulated industries? That's exactly what Martine Rothblatt did. If you've never heard of Martine Rothblatt look her up. Martine Rothblatt took on the federal, I guess you call it the radio regulations many years ago and invented satellite radio and created Sirius XM. That story is amazing in itself, but it didn't stop there. Martine ended up having a daughter who had some serious medical issues and could not find a treatment or a cure or anything. So what she did was she went after multiple pharmaceuticals and asked them to create this particular medication that she knew of. And she was looking for. Only it wasn't actually created yet. She had the basic formula and she kept going to all these different pharmaceutical companies to ask them to create it and produce it. Well, she kept getting shut down because the pharmaceutical has realized that there's not enough people in the world that would need this medication. Therefore it wasn't cost effective for them to do the research and produce this particular medication. So what did she do? Did she stop there? Absolutely not. She went out and created her own medical company and created this product. And since then has created many other products that have helped so many people all over the world. My point is this, there was a pie. In fact, there were two pies and there were certain groups of people and even the federal government who had their hands in that pie. And she took on the entire two different industries. And what she did was she literally created her own pie and then shared that pie with people all over the world. She created satellite radio and shared that with the world and then out of need for her own daughter, she created a medical company and created multiple medical breakthroughs for many people all over the world. That is a true abundant leader. That is the way you don't let the scarcity mentality of they've. Got it all. Therefore, I can't have any hold you back from creating your own pie and creating your own abundant legacy. Now, I know there are many more stories like that out there. And I would love to hear your stories, especially if that is your story, please go over to Facebook and join the men of abundance group. Let's continue this conversation. And while you're at it, go ahead and take a screenshot of this podcast of this episode. If you are listening on your phone and share it out, all of your social media, wherever you hang out at on social media, hashtag men of abundance and tag me so that I can find it as well. And I would greatly appreciate a rating and review over on iTunes so that others can find these conversations. If you're getting something out of him, somebody else will too. Now I'm very excited to introduce our featured guests today. Today's guest is Joel Lewis, founder and CEO of integrator and co a digital marketing agency that helps experts reach more people, scale their business and increase online sales. Joel and his team specialize in funnel strategy, funnel, design, funnel, repair, and funnel building. In addition to generating millions of dollars and thousands of leads for his clients. Joel is a father of three and is passionate about the intersection of fatherhood and entrepreneurship, men of abundance. It is my pleasure to introduce you to Joel Lewis. Joel welcome to men of abundance, brother. How you doing, man?

Joel Louis:

I'm doing great Wally. Thanks for having me on. I'm excited to be on the podcast today.

Wally Carmichael:

Super excited to have this conversation. Where are you at in the world,

Joel Louis:

Massachusetts,

Wally Carmichael:

Massachusetts. I have not, I don't know that I've talked to anybody in Massachusetts says over of after over 300 conversations. I wouldn't

Joel Louis:

remember that. That's amazing. I'm the only, I'm the only, I'm the only a business owner in Massachusetts.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah, I bet you are the only successful one anyway, but what, what are you originally from there where I got you into Massachusetts?

Joel Louis:

No, I'm originally from my parents are from Haiti. I was born here in Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York. And yeah, I, after being there, we moved to Queens. We moved to long Island. I mean, when I graduated high school and I attended St John's university and shortly after attending St. John's, I couldn't finish there. Just couldn't afford it. And I ended up going to technical career Institute, which is like TCI or university of Phoenix. Probably people are more familiar with that. And when I was almost done there, six months remaining Intel corporation came by and they were doing some recruiting and I was just fortunate that they allowed me to test and, and kind of being part of the hiring process. Even though I had six more months remaining in my in my education and on the spot, they hired me and told me, they'll wait for the six months until I graduated. And sure enough, they did flew me out to New Mexico, lived there for about a little bit close to a year. And then from New Mexico, they flew me out to. To Massachusetts,

Wally Carmichael:

man. How would a NIGO boost? That is man, I'm extremely excited. That must happen a while back, but I'm extremely excited. I'm that's just exciting for me to hear.

Joel Louis:

Yeah, it was, it was very exciting, especially being at, you know, so young and, you know, not sure where, where life was going to go. And and, and, you know, after leaving. Yeah, St. John's university, which is it's a beautiful campus. And at the time it was 10,000 a year. But my parents couldn't afford it. They, they w I was just fortunate that they, they were able to move us to a home in long Island, which I still, today, I have no idea how, how they did it. My mother worked in a laundry mat. My dad drove a truck locally. But somehow they were able to scrape and, and get things together and make it happen. And so couldn't afford St. John's and TCI was in the middle of Manhattan, literally across the street from. What they call that Madison square garden. So you go from this beautiful campus of St John's university, even though it's in the city of Queens, it's, it's gated and it's surrounded by trees. And it's like, you're in the suburbs to going to TCI, which is literally in the middle of Manhattan, traffic, all this kind of stuff. So I was, you know, I wasn't sure where things were going to go from from there. But when this, you know, amazing company came and. Decided to do this recruiting man, it was just, it was game changer for me.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah, for sure. What a, what a great opportunity, man. And I'll tell you, well, I will tell you, although you're most likely the very first one I've talked to in Massachusetts, I think of this third person from Haiti I've talked to and some amazing stories and I'll tell you and I'm sure it was very difficult for your family at the time to, you know, do the things they did for you, but it's all about priorities, right? I think when it came to that generation, for sure. Yeah. And good thing you was a priority.

Joel Louis:

I mean, the episode before this, or one of the episodes you just released, I dunno when this one will be coming out, you, you talked to JV Crum, and he talked about, you know you know, he talked about making it. Having a world where everyone has the opportunity, right? And then you asked this really poignant question in terms of like, well, you know, almost essentially you were saying, well, do, does everyone automatically get the opportunity? And he, and he replied back saying, no, you're still gonna have to work. You're still gonna have to work. But if you're willing to work, Like, you know, like my parents you know, you can make something out of the hand you're dealt, so

Wally Carmichael:

absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. And it's, it's, it's shown time and time again, and it's certainly shown in you and we're going to get much more into here right now. So one of the things I like to start out with it, we didn't even get into and we have already gotten into the conversation. Real good. Is I like to start out with an attitude of gratitude, man. What do you have to be grateful for specifically today,

Joel Louis:

man? Well, you know, I have to say and again, I don't know when this podcast is going to be released, but you know, current day, you know, we're dealing with COVID and we're doing, dealing with you know, post George Floyd and as a man of color. I, I have to say, even though, you know, the, the world seems to be on fire. You know, I try to always look for the positive and the, and to be grateful that, that it seems like this the world, not just America is. Is is open to having this conversation is open to looking at you know, the history of things and the what's really going on in America and in the world and people are really standing up for it. So I'm very grateful for that. And I'm, I'm very optimistic as to what will come, you know, cause I have, I have three, you know, three young daughters. My wife is half Italian and half half black and our daughters, all three although my wife looks very light and she could potentially pass that Caucasian. My, my daughter's like definitely not. And you know, I want to make sure that the world that. That they grew up in and the world that I leave behind sees them as powerful women, not, not, not the color of their skin, but just women who can contribute and have value to offer to this world.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for sharing that. And I'll tell you my perspective on that being a white man, and my background is also an equal opportunity for the United States army and the Pacific region. And you know, just living my life and spending time with the people that I've spent time with around the world in 24 countries. And I'll tell you, I, I truly believe that the world is open to that conversation. And I also believe that. We have a lot more growing to do, but there's there's space. I, this is my personal belief. There are small groups of people out there that are instigating a lot of things and we will prevail. We, you and I, you and I will prevail because there's way more of us than there are of them. And we just need to shut them out some way somehow. And we will figure that out. And I think we are, I think enough people are having that conversation that we're realizing that, you know, what I see on the news and what I see on social media is completely contrary to what I see when I walk out my front door. I mean, I live in a very diverse neighborhood and we're not just cordial to each other. We are here for each other and genuinely, and that's what I see because that's what I attract into my life. Right.

Joel Louis:

Yeah. Yeah,

Wally Carmichael:

absolutely. So one of the other things that we like to get into is we, you know, we're going to get into your story. I'll talk a little bit about you, what you do professionally and not as super exciting. And I just love that you know, chomping at the bits on the edge of my seat for that conversation, but even more importantly, we like to get to know the man behind the abundance. So if you would, how would you describe yourself?

Joel Louis:

You know I would say that I am a, and th this is something that I've struggled with for quite some times, but I guess in one word I am a processor. Okay. So if you're familiar with the disc profile there is you know, the D I S C and. I didn't discover the disc profile until 2013. Thanks. Thank God. I'm listening to Jamie masters and Dan Miller which I think, you know, both, both

Wally Carmichael:

talk to the seller a couple of times, in fact. Yeah.

Joel Louis:

Right. And and through that discovery process, I discovered that I'm a high C and a high D and a high C is someone who is a processor who is very detailed oriented, who you know, it actually says clearly high C tends to want to think about things. And usually once they've. Done that work in terms of the processing, the research and whatever they need to do, the response or the answer they tend to provide is, is close to accurate or as good as possible. If you will, it may take us time to take action. But when we do, we're taking probably the best action that we can. And the reason why I've struggled with that for quite some times, because when I was at Intel corporation in terms of moving up in the corporate ladder, because I was a senior manager it required from a leadership standpoint the ability to make decisions quickly. So I was challenged by one of my managers to, to do that, to start making decisions quicker. And I was able to adapt and kind of be able to do that, that kind of quick decision-making, but I've found when I look back in my history when I take that time to process and think things do even the current day situation that we're talking about right now I find that I'm able to, to come to a conclusion and a solution that tends to work out really well really well for me. And I've done that for a number of things in my life, including building my, my business.

Wally Carmichael:

Well, that's excellent that you're able to make that, you know, that perspective and have that perspective and be introduced to something like the disc and there's many other type of personality profile tools out there for that. But disk is one that many people are familiar with. But it's, it's, it's very important for us to be able to, I call it taking an inventory of who we are and how we think, and that. Really leads into our strengths and weak strengths and weaknesses. And then we decided, well, do we want to improve our strengths and, or work on our weaknesses? And personally, I'd like to know what your thought process is on this. Personally, I like to work on my strengths and kind of delegate out my weaknesses because it doesn't do me any good, unless there's a solar preneurs. Now you've been a solopreneur too, and I have to, but, you know, solopreneurs, we just got to suck it up and figure it out. Like kind of like what I'm doing right now. And, and this new building funnels, you know, and learning the home ClickFunnels process because all I know the. The mechanics behind it and the marketing behind it is the technical part. That's kind of frustrating sometimes, but I enjoy doing it. Therefore, I'm going to learn it. Although I have gotten a few guys online to help me out with a few things, I don't call that cheating. I call it using your available resources and skipping the line if you will. So what are your thoughts on that?

Joel Louis:

Yeah, I think, you know, everything you just said is spot on. So taking inventory, reflecting again, the conversation you had with JV, you guys talked about this as well with him going out into the mountain. And I literally do the exact same thing, go out to the mountains or go rent an Airbnb. And and I take that time right now I'm doing it annually. I want to get to a point where I do it twice a year. I might actually do that this year. I did it earlier this year before COVID-19 happened, went up to the white mountains in New Hampshire. But two things I'd say about that. It's number one is when you taking that inventory, I think. You know and I try to talk to people about this a lot is, you know, you getting to know who you are. Good, bad, ugly, and. Making a decision. I am going to focus on the good and yet there's these ugly or bad things, but what do I making a decision on those and my going, do I want to actively change those habits or bad things? Or, or am I going to say, all right. I noticed, like, for example, my wife likes to call me OCD, right? Like I'm very organized and everything like that. And I like things clean and. You know, for a long time, I never really looked at that. That was just my way of being, and I got that from my, my mom and, but meeting my wife, of course, she was able to point that out for me. And I had to really, you know, I could have, I could have been angry at her. I gonna be like, well, why are you calling me OCD for and maybe initially I was, but then I decided, let me really look at, am I really OCD? Am I really that bad? And how bad am I? And then once I looked at it, I was able to now actually have strength in terms of saying, okay, I'm going to accept this. And I want to keep this because this plays. There's some disadvantages in it, but there's actually a lot of advantages in the way I am and I'm going to keep this street. And then there's other things that I've decided I'm not going to keep. And in that process saying, okay, since I am the way I am, let's hire a maid and let's have a maid come twice a week so that the house could stay at a level that I wanted because I have a level, my wife has a level, but by now identifying the way that I like things. And then having the conversation with my wife saying, Hey, let's get a maid that comes twice a week to do that deeper cleaning. It took away argument, right. It took away conflict and, and it, it satisfied something that I want. So. I think that that's the first part in terms of like, looking at those doing that, that kind of reflection, you know, really looking at things and just coming to terms with, do I like it? Do I not like it? Do I keep it to or not keep it? And then the second thing that I would say one of my coaches was Scott Beebe. Jamie masters was one of my coaches, Scott Bebe's won't I think the next coach after that. And one of the things that he taught me in terms of like, there's the strengths, and then there's the weaknesses in those strengths and weaknesses. This is the things that I could be strong at it, but it doesn't bring me energy. I could, and I could be, obviously we get something, but maybe I'm excited about that thing even though I'm weak at it, but I just love tinkering. And so he took me through this process of identifying what are those things that That I am strong at and brings me energy. What are the things that I'm strong at a doesn't bring me energy. What are the things that I'm strong at? And I'm kind of neutral about it. And then same thing from the weakness standpoint. And then by going through that process, I was able to identify, which are the things do I delegate out, which are the ones that I hire for first. And that's how I've kind of built my team, because there are certain things that, you know, I may not be strong at, but I love geeking out on them. And I love learning like maybe what you would click funnels. You're not strong at it right now, but you love clicking, you know, geeking out on it. Whereas accounting. It, it surprisingly, you might think as a business owner, I want to see the money. Accounting just drains the life out of me. It's not that I can't do it. It's not like I can't learn. I wouldn't mind geeking out on QuickBooks. I just do not enjoy. Did that side of things at all. So that was one of the first things I delegated out. Yeah,

Wally Carmichael:

for sure. I'll tell you when I took accounting in college, I learned one thing and one thing for sure, I do not want to be an accountant, especially when, because you know, the average person out there, that's never actually done a course like that. Thanks. You know, it's just adding subtracting and this, that, and the other, there's so much more in depth. I will say that I love business finance to the point where I'm able to look at something and say, okay, here's a few of the problems that you have. Here are some strategies you can implement, but one, I want to go deeper. I give it over to, you know, Doug, who's my CPA and they do the rest of it. They do all their amazing magic and say here, tell them to do this type of thing. So yeah, for sure. You got to know your lane and you know, you've mentioned JV Crum a couple of times. I want to mention to listeners out there, if that was the last episode that at this point that's aired episode, Three one six men of abundance.com/three one six, and then Scott Beebe, another great conversation. I had got introduced to him through Aaron Walker. And Scott BB was episode two 43. So thanks for bringing those guys up because they're just absolutely amazing, amazing people. And mentors to many men. Oh, for sure. Especially Aaron. So anyhow, you know, thanks for sharing all that because it's extremely important to, you know, take that inventory and do like you didn't move forward on any of the other things that I want to ask of you is to, you know, a little bit uncomfortable for some people, because you have to kind of reflect on some times in your life that weren't so fun, but I like to get this kick in the gut moment. And the reason why I talk about this kick in the gut moment is because we all have them. It's what you do with that information and that experience that sometimes, you know, changes the trajectory of your life and sometimes even pays it forward to other people. So if you would, and we'll get into that, if that's the case, but share with us a kick in the gut moment and really make us feel that.

Joel Louis:

Yeah. So I, as I mentioned, I worked for Intel for actually I worked for them for 15 years. Amazing company loved everything about the company. Still love everything about the company. And prior to a few years before, so Intel ended up closing shop here in Massachusetts. And prior to that I forget they closed in 2015, 2015, 2016. And in 2008, when my first daughter was born, I had the ability to go on sabbatical and Intel paid for and everything like that. And there was amazing. And that is actually what led me start towards the entrepreneurial start researching the entrepreneur thing. Because prior to that, I was just a corporate Garrette guy. Right. I was grateful for this company. This company was amazing. Everything about it. I was just going to continue doing what I could do there. And then when my daughter was born, that was kind of like the catalyst that led me towards podcasts and listening to podcasts and everything. I eventually launched my own podcast because I couldn't find at the time, any podcasts that were interviewing successful entrepreneur dads, like Erin Walker, Scott Beebe, or these folks, Dan Miller and also we're talking about the fatherhood aspect of things. Like, how do you, how do you leave whatever you're doing to go start a business with all the risk and everything involved with a family already. Right. Versus like starting a business when you didn't have a family. Yeah. So I ended up, I believe a different story, right. So I ended up launching a podcast called startup that headquarters. And I did 140 interviews, found the answer, you know, do all the interviews I did. And then I, and then in 2015, when Intel close my wife and I had this conversation, because at that point I was, I had done the podcast for about a year and a half, two years said, well, either we moved to the West coast and we stay with the company and leave all our family behind. Or we go all in with this business thing since I've been doing this research for all this time and we decided to go all in and I started, you know, the business and I kid you not like six months after I started actually not even six months. It was a very short period of time after. My daughter and I am now it's my youngest daughter ended up in the hospital and I mean for multiple days and what ended up starting to happen and all, all three of us, I have three girls, all three of our girls have GI issues and they're seen by a specialist in Boston and they all have had issues throughout the time. But the youngest one is, is the worst. And it like it literally when, when I started the business, it's like it kicked into motion and it was every six weeks. We were back in the hospital, back in the hospital, surgeries, admitting emergency room visits, I mean, and just kept going on and on and on like this for a very long time to, you know, if you can imagine now it's like, We, you know, I had this one year runway, you know, did all the math figured out what we were going to do and then got kicked in the gut as, as you pointed out. And I just wasn't sure what I was going to do at this point. Cause I was a solo preneur. I was flipping solopreneur trying to build this business so I could, you know, obviously keep as much money as I could and put as much money into the business as possible. And and I eventually learned that I needed to build this business where I would not be the technician, the manager and the owner, and I needed to start to hire people so that I could have the freedom because this pattern of emergency room admitted surgery. There was no end in sight. And and that's essentially what I ended up doing from that. I mean, there's obviously a lot more into that story, but but now I do have a very, very successful team that I've been building.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah, you absolutely do. I've been checking that out, man. And thanks for sharing that. That's a very personal kick in the gut for sure. And I want to thank you for sharing that. And it's one of the conversations that I have with it's one of the very first conversations I have. As soon as I receive payment from a client, I tell them, listen, here's, what's going to happen now that you've made this decision and you've gone all in everything that could possibly happen to get in your way. Is going to happen starting tomorrow morning. I promise you this. And every single time it happens and it's not like a self fulfilling prophecy I've had, I've not had this conversation and I've had this conversation and it's happened regardless. So I like to just have it upfront and I say, look, it's just going to happen. This is the way it is. It's the way things work. That's what I'm here for. I'm going to be your coach. I'm going to be your consultant. We're going to work through it. I was going to be personal and it's going to be financial and it's going to be physical and everything else, but you know, so good for you. And, and that's the other part of the conversation is to get help. You cannot, you cannot do it on your own. You can get a certain distance on your own, but you cannot achieve greatness and abundance on your own. That's just not going to happen. And if you do it, it's completely unfulfilled, right?

Joel Louis:

Right, right. Yeah. It's, it's two things on that. So like, you know, I don't know what your, your faith is and the rest of the listeners, but you know, the devil likes to kill steal and destroy and, and destroy. Right. So, and then, and from an entrepreneur's standpoint, or I guess from a, a, a law of attraction, maybe standpoint, it's a resistance, right? It's you, you come into this, you know, just like you talk about what your clients, you finally make a decision. To move forward with something. And then all of a sudden it's like, bam, it's like, you hit this wall. It may happen the very next day. It may happen three months from later, but it just, there's just this, once you start to make a decision, once you decide that you want to go a diff a certain direction and change, it's like, there's all this resistance that it's like, it's testing you. It's like the universe is testing you to see, okay. Yeah. You say you want to make the change, but let's see if you really about it. Let's see if you really willing to wake up at four 30 in the morning every morning and do the hard work to finally get the result that you want. And it, and it's so true. And it's an, it's an applicable to business. Is it applicable to losing weight it's applicable to you name it? It's just seems to always happen. And I've experienced it as a business owner. I've experienced it. Every time I go from the beginning and every time I'm trying to get a new milestone, you know, when, you know, for some business owners, that first dollar is a milestone, then for whatever reason, it seems like 10 thousands. The next number. I don't know how you go from a dollar to 10,000. Then, then it's like six figures, right. Then it's then from six figures, it's like a million dollars. So maybe there's something in between, but I just feel like whenever I try to you know, go level up to that next milestone, there's always that resistance and it's going to be there and you have to be ready for it. And you, you have to push through. Yeah,

Wally Carmichael:

absolutely. Well, I'll tell you one of the chicks that's gotten me through. Some of that stuff is just to go out and pay it forward to somebody else in some way, somehow others just share some knowledge, jobs, casts, somewhere or whatever I can just to help somebody else out. That's always been something that's really helped me push forward and continue doing what I wanted to do. So how are you paying it forward? What are you doing to pay it forward within your community, within your family or even to other entrepreneurs?

Joel Louis:

Yeah, it is a great question. And you know, it's, I I'll be honest with all the. Yeah. The sh if you could imagine from the time, what, 2015 till now, so five years of trying to build this business, dealing with medical conditions with our three girls, you know, a lot of times you get caught up in your own life, right? Like you're just trying to make it. It's like, Oh my goodness, every time I'm trying to make it. And and God is just so amazing because I ended up going to a click funnels conference in 2018 and something I didn't even know existed honestly. And I feel I feel silly. I don't know. I feel like how did I, how could I not, not, not know, but at the conference in 2018 there was this organization called or OU our operation underground railroad and. And, and they were going to do a documentary. They were going to release one of the documentaries and it just so happened that the documentary was based out of Haiti. And the reason why they call it operation underground railroad, because they deal with freeing children from sex trafficking and man, while they, I did not even know. So that, that was something that existed. And I definitely didn't know existed to the level that it is. And that America is one of the larger consumers of this thing. And. I sat there and watched that documentary. And they went into, they went, you know, an undercover CEO's ex military special forces, I believe. And he ended up leaving the military because he was seeing these things happening and because of the rules and regulations as he couldn't interfere. So he said, you know what, I'm just going to leave. And I'm just going to start this organization. And they went underground on the cover and everything, and they were able to, to free these, a number of kids during this documentary and the, actually the CEO ended up adopting two of the kids. Who's like amazing individually as well to doing that. And right there, I knew where, you know, where I need to make my contribution and what organization that we wanted to support as, as a company and just personally. So that's, that's currently, that's where You know, I do do you know, focus my attention.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah. That is absolutely amazing. I learned of that while I've none of it for quite some time, but I was with another organization that used to contribute greatly to various organizations. And I actually had an opportunity to, I didn't get a chance to talk with them, but I did meet Timothy Ballard, who is the guy gentleman you're talking about at a Tony Robbins event. And Tony Robbins actually went undercover right. Mission with him. And it's, it's, it just hurts my soul. Just the stuff that they do, but you're right in you know, I've seen 'em. Of all the stuff that I looked at over the years, they were saying that there's more people in captivity than there were during the peak of slavery in the United States today. And people that nobody knows this, yes, men, women, and children, but mostly women and children and they're used. And I was in El Paso when they, they raided a gentleman's quotation club, which is the most ridiculous name for such an organization. And like 70% of the women there were there against their will. Not exotic dancing, stripping, whatever. It's just disgusting. So thank you so much for contributing and what you do with that organization because it's man, it's sickening for sure. And we can, yeah, that's a downer, but it's another one of those conversations that we just have to have. And I tell people all the time when I'm talking to young man, you know, or anybody who's going to these types of clubs as I did when I was a young man, I'll admit it and traveling around the world and stuff. But, and then porn and everything has you got to consider somebody's daughter is there against their will and being forced to engage in that activity, it could be your sister, daughter, mother, you name it. It's just consider that. So guys consider that seriously.

Joel Louis:

Yeah. So what's, what's crazy about it real quick. Yeah. I'll tell you what tell you about really quick, you know, I know how Trump and stuff like that, but one of the things that, and it is insane to me that they don't publicize this more, whether it's Trump, Obama, I don't know who is, that was on the news for just a blimp 19, was that they major raid. On found it was like tunnels like these, a route that I think was from Mexico to California. And they were able to do a massive bus on to kinda to kind of stop that kind of stuff. And I feel like, I guess the powers that be don't want that publicized, right? Because then it brings light to something that is really going on in the world. And unfortunately those in power who are potentially consuming this stuff and doing this stuff have enough leverage to keep it, to keep it hidden where it's not hitting the mainstream. Media. But I, I wish, you know, hopefully through conversations like this and stuff like that, people would, people learn about it just like I did in 2018.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah. There are people at very high levels that are having these conversations. And I just recently saw a a new news an article that came out that there was a large organization. It was Hollywood, a lot of people in Hollywood, they were caught. And, you know, I take everything with, for what it's worth, because you got to consider who owns the networks. And why this stuff isn't getting out there. So you can say conspiracy theory and stuff like that, all you want. But when you look at the data and looking at the facts, you got to put two and two together, it's really not that difficult. So, and then just start doing the right investigations, you know, Powerful people gotta be taken down. They gotta be taken down hard and knocked off their pedestal because we put them up there. And there's no reason for it. You know, I say we, I mean, collectively, as, as consumers personally, I could care less. I mean, I can walk right up. I've walked right up to Tony Robbins and you know, it used to be, I'm not AUSTRAC and I'm not saying he's him. He helps him with all this stuff, but anybody, it doesn't matter to me, especially after doing this show for four years, I've talked to somebody, you know what? He's just like I am, and I love it. So anyhow, man. Yeah, we can have this conversation forever and it is a conversation that has to happen and much more has to be put into it. And it's not just about money. It's about time and resources. And just bring out the truth on what's going on, regardless of who's involved in it, because that's not, it's not serving anyone other than those that are. Profiting from it profiting, right? Yeah, absolutely. So man, we are at the point where we are going to pay it forward with a couple, a little bullet points. You ready to do that?

Joel Louis:

Yes, absolutely. Let's do

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Joel Louis:

Yup. Number one, start the day before the family wakes up. Okay. That has been huge for me in towards my success. Especially if you have young ones start the day before your family wakes up. I kid you not majority of my day, majority of my week, I start off my day at well now with COVID I start at five 30 prior to COVID. I started at four 30 and I'm at I'm at the CrossFit by five 30. So that's number two, get the workout in, right? Cause that, that the energy that you need to be able to deal with the stresses that are going to come to deal with the stress, the resistance to push through, to deal with everything that's going on. Get thrown at you as a, as a man of abundance. You you're gonna need that energy. You need gonna need that capacity to be able to deal with more in, and you know, one of the analogies, I think Garrett J white uses is, you know, you could have a hose that you use to water your garden or you can have the the, the pipes that run underneath the street to deliver water, to, to, to, and from different houses. They both deliver warm water, but one has a lot more capacity. And and I look at working out as giving me that capacity to deal with a lot more of what the world's gonna throw at me. So, and then number three is, you know, from a business standpoint, don't do it alone. You know, I have this argument with friends who start trying to start businesses, arguing, not arguing discussions. It feels. To make sense to hold on to as much money as possible and to not hire and do it yourself. And no one's going to do it better than me. And it's going to take me time to train someone. And, but man, you, you will never. Get freedom. If you're, if you're doing it alone, you're, you're essentially just replacing a job for another job that you own with all the responsibilities and all the risk and everything. So those are the three.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah, absolutely. Man, I'll tell you, that's the difference between, like you said, owning a job or having a business you know, having a business, the dream is that you ha you know, have the time and the money, you know, the money and the time to enjoy it, because what's the point in having one or the other, you know, if you just want the time you can go out and. You know, be homeless. You'll have all the time in the world you want. And if you want the money you work, you put your nose to the grindstone and make all the money you want, but end up without a family and friends and, you know, good leisure time and your health for that matter. So absolutely. You already mentioned a few rituals obviously, but what other rituals make the biggest impact in your life?

Joel Louis:

That morning routine. So, because I wake up at four 30 on post COVID and even now with the five 30, I wake up and I do my stretch. I'm 44 years old. So stretching is important. Meditation, prayer. I actually start my morning. I read this book and I know one of your questions is gonna be about a book called the five second rule by Mel Robbins. And you know, for me, like I don't. Every book I read, I usually find like one, one, two, sometimes, maybe three nuggets that I could take and apply the biggest one from the five. Second rule for me was putting my phone in the bathroom instead of the nightstand. And the second from the five second rule is before touching that phone and jumping on social media. So one by just putting it in the bathroom, instead of the nightstand, I'm up. When the alarm goes off, I'm up really quickly. We have a master bedroom I'm up really quickly. Just shut it off. So my wife doesn't wake up to. My workout clothes is already in there. So I'm already set up to just throw those on as opposed to shutting it off and going all the way back to the bedroom. Three, I turn on the light. So that's now that bright light just wakes me up anyway. So I just kind of ruined it possibly of going back to sleep. So I'm putting, I'm actually creating my own resistance right. From, from going back to the bed. And then when I do turn on the phone, I go right to YouTube and there's this church that I follow called free chapel. And usually God just puts it episode. That's perfect for me. Right. Timing. And it's like, it pops up right on top because it's a. Cha a channel that I follow. So it's always, there's a new episode, just not new, but like whether it's three years old, when I listened to today was three years old. It's right there. I click on it and I start listening to it while I put on my clothes and everything like that. I don't get into social media or anything until way later in the morning. And that's how I propel and set, set myself up for, for a powerful day,

Wally Carmichael:

man, that's intentional. That's living life on purpose, man. Absolutely love it. So we, you talked about a book and that is a great book. I've read that book as well. But what else are you reading or listening to that you'd recommend to men of abundance and why? One

Joel Louis:

of the things I would recommend because of the current day, again, I don't know when this is going to drop. I don't, it doesn't matter when this drops is a friend of mine put me on to it. It's called seeing white. So seeing white and it's a podcast that talks about. Because even honestly, even for me, quite honestly, as a man who's, you know you know, grew up poor, but my parents was able to do a lot of things, get us into a home in long Island, which of course long Island is amazing to be living in. It's kind of like a suburb and then working hard and getting Intel six, figure salary, building a business, you know, I'm, I'm doing well as from where my origins were from. And, you know, you hear a lot of times that, you know, and this it's true, even for me growing up, going to school, trying to learn as much as I can. I didn't actually learn a lot about my history and being someone who is not in a. My, my, my descendants are not American you know blacks, right? My, my, my, my descendants are from Haiti. So I didn't, I don't know that his, the civil rights movement, I don't know that history as well as I probably should. And so I've been diving in deeper and learning and learning and learning. I've been consuming so much. And one of my good friends shared with me this podcast, the podcast is called, see something on radio, but that the season, season two is called seeing white. And it is a power I'm on episode eight or nine now. And it is amazing, extremely powerful. Anyone who really wants to learn whether you're white or black or what, wherever you, you know, your ethnicity is really want to understand the history of this whole thing and the system around it. I absolutely recommend you start from season two, episode one and work your way up. It's amazing.

Wally Carmichael:

Excellent. I'll have that linked up in the show notes and I will take the time to check that out myself, especially with my background. I've always doing more research and learning about certain things and that is definitely one of them. So what do you feel that most people back from living a life of true abundance?

Joel Louis:

That is a great question. I think, you know, I, I would say it's visioning right. And not, you know, and I know some, you know, some people will feel like it's, it's kinda Kind of woo woo. Or if you will whatever visioning means to you, whether it's, you have to actually literally do a vision board, which I don't do where, whether it's writing down what your goals are, which I do. And one of the things that Scott BB made made me take, took me through all the way out to the, you know, defining a date. That meant something for me. And my date is when my oldest daughter enters high school. Cause I know at that point I have four years left and at that point I would have to have, I would love to have my business too. The goal is to have the business where I'm literally just completely the owner of the business. And I have you know, ultimate freedom, right. To spend massive amount of quality time with her for those four years before she's off to college. Which I, I do have quality time now. And I do a part of my morning routine during COVID is seven 15. I, we did a workout this morning, all three of my girls and Bible study and meditation and everything like that. But but I want to have even more. Yeah, almost like retired if you will, is the ultimate goal. And but all of that is to visioning and is to deciding what I want the next year, two years, three years, five years to look like. And just by do, even though that that was an activity I did with Scott Beebe a number of years ago whenever I look back and whenever I've done that activity with my coaches or by myself, it's like, it just happens. Like, it's amazing how it works. It just, whether I look at it every day or not, and I don't look at every day. But when I go back and I revisit it and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I've actually accomplished exactly what I, I stated I wanted to get done. So I think the, unfortunately a lot of people are. You can't, what is it? You can't see the picture when you're in the frame. And sometimes people are so stuck in the picture that their mind is not cannot envision something bigger, something greater. And if you could figure out a way through books or podcasts or something, that's going to start to expand your mind that will allow you to vision bigger. I think that that will get you a lot further than where you are today.

Wally Carmichael:

Yeah, I completely agree. And that's my personal experience as well. We can go very deep into that conversation because I've got journals that I've looked back at and realized that I've accomplished 80 to 90% of what I wrote in those journals just through intention and you know, it's always going to happen the way you envision it, but one thing's for sure. Is that you have to become the person that deserves that. Thing that experienced that lifestyle along the way. But one thing that I found is very important and I'd like, your thoughts on this too, is the destination is great, but I've found that when I've reached certain destinations and achieve certain goals, it's like, okay, what's next? I've found that enjoying the journey just seems to be a much more filling, fulfilling process. What are your thoughts on that?

Joel Louis:

Absolutely. I mean, again, the, the, the story, even though is that it's, there's been struggle. There's been arguments, there's been tears. There's been so much worry. You know it's made me stronger, right? It's built that capacity that I've talked about earlier. And the things that I've learned along this journey applies for so many things. So many other things in my life, and I'm sure is helping will help me and aid me along my journey with them three young girls who are two years apart, we will all be teenagers at the same time, or we'll all be going to college and say time, we will all be hopefully finding the right person and getting, getting married at the same time. It will. It's, it's all giving me you know Steve jobs says you can't connect the dots, looking. Forward, you can only connect the dots, looking backwards and everything that I went through at Intel even though I was a manager at Intel and then starting a business, it was like, Oh, well, all those years of experience and everything that I built with that, I guess it's out the window. Nope. Everything that I learned at Intel I am using right now to build this business. So the journey is, is absolutely is absolutely amazing. And, and doing that visioning, even if you don't look at it and you're being intentional, what will happen is that when an opportunity presents itself, because you did that work of that visioning, you'll immediately be able to see, wait a second. This is what. I have, I've been getting prepared for it. This is what, this is exactly what I wanted. And the ability to say yes and no to things will come a lot easier because you've you did that, that visioning work early on. Yeah, for

Wally Carmichael:

sure. The ability to say yes and no, sometimes people have a problem saying, no, I do not have that problem anymore. Right. So excellent. Because I am retired. I am, I could be, I don't have to do a darn thing for the rest of my life, but I choose to continue adding value. I've been retired for the last. Two years. I mean, officially I retired from the military five years ago, but I 100% retired about just over two years ago now. And it's a great place to be, man, because my daughter-in-law's coming tomorrow. I get to drive to Orlando to pick her up because her husband, my son is still in Korea until August and I can do whatever the heck I want. You know? So it's, it's a great place to be, man. So keep moving towards it. I know you're going to love it.

Joel Louis:

So my role model,

Wally Carmichael:

well, you got plenty to choose from. Erin Walker could have retired like multiple times and he just that's right? Yeah. So does being a man of abundance mean to you, Juul?

Joel Louis:

Two things. Number one is. You know, the, the, so I have, like I mentioned many, a times I have these three precious souls that God has given me the authority over in terms of growing them and, and, and giving them that foundation and, and helping them to grow into amazing women. And, you know, when I think about abundance and when I think about like legacy it's like it, they are intrinsically tied to that. Like what, what will they become? Who will they become? And what Am I going to prepare them? Am I going to give them the tools that they need? Am I going to arm them and prepare them with everything that they're going to need in order to be prepared for the world that they're going into be prepared to accomplish their, their, their goals and, and know that it requires hard work to get it. And then what impact ultimately are they going to have on this world? And that is one way I look at abundance for me is like, cause I can only do so much in my lifetime, but now I could multiply, you know with some, some influence, I could multiply that by, by three with them and then hopefully with them through their children and you know, so far and so on. So that's number one. Then number two is looking at me and saying, okay, while I'm doing this work with them, you know, and I'm charged to do this work by God with them. God also has something that he wants me to accomplish. And and, and how am I living up to that? And you know you know the analogy of, you know, when you get into the plane, you have to put on your mask first, because once you have your mass and you taking care of taking care of the things that you need to take care of to survive, then you can now serve that your community, the world, and make a bigger impact. And so when I, I I'm always balancing between those two things is there's that aspect of, you know, I'm charged to do this work. With my children, but at the same time, if something that God wants me to do as well, and I'm just trying to always be open. And that's why I start my morning, the way that I do so that I am always in the space of being prepared, being open to, to do that work and, and make an impact as as, as much as I can. So hope I answered the question, of course, you know, with kind of inside of that, there's the freedom, there's the flexibility, there's the finances as the, you know you know, there's the, there's the what's they call that the, the tangible stuff, right? Then we can kind of like the American dream that we kind of, yeah, we have a 33, 3,300 square foot home, you know, I, I grew up in a two bedroom apartment with eight of us, you know, so, you know, so I'm providing my children something, I. You know, I didn't have at all. So there's all those things, but I, I don't, you know, that's kind of like putting that mask on, but then there's a bigger vision definition for me in terms of abundance.

Wally Carmichael:

Oh yeah, absolutely. Cause there's many stories out there. There's many examples that we both can share with people who have all the tangible stuff, but are not people of abundance in the least, because to me, success is personal and abundance is, you know, when you're paying it forward and making a big impact with others and I will add. Based on my observation of you and what you're doing you have paid it forward big time, and you're very abundant in what you're doing because through your business. And we're going to talk about, you know, your, your website integrator. Every time I look at that word, I want to say interrogator, but it's not interrogator integrator and ceo.com. So we'll have that linked up in the show notes guys, but you know, just looking at the stories of the lives that you've impacted through just one client and has gone on to impact multiple families, businesses, and so on and so forth that in itself, I want to highlight because you have not highlighted it yet because you're that humble, but I want to make a point that you have made a huge impact and paying it forward. With your clients and listen, all of you listening out there. I know Joel gets this, I get this and you're paying it forward. It's okay to get compensated for the things that you do too. Because quite frankly, I feel it's my responsibility to charge my clients because otherwise they won't do anything with the information. Anyway, I've proven that time and time again, it's just part of the whole process and I assure you, they thank me for it. And I know yours do too, because a couple of them have been in the two comma club, which is absolutely amazing. So let's talk a little bit about that before we let you go.

Joel Louis:

Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. And it is, it is something that I, again, struggled with it for a while because when I did the disc profile and read 48 days to the work you love, you know, my superpower turned out to be technology. And I was like, okay. And, and helping other people with technology. And when I decided I was going to start this business, it was like, well, how am I going to make an impact with this? Because I'm just a tech geek guy, right? I'm not like a doctor. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a brain surgeon. I'm not a rocket scientist. I'm not an astronaut or anything like that. And it, and after working with these clients and working with healthcare professionals and helping them to. With the diabetes program with the STEM cell auto-immune program and with their you know, coaches and, you know, I have a client right now who helps moms and women start multimillion dollar e-commerce businesses. And after a while of doing this work, I finally realized this is where my impact lies with my company. Is that. There's these individuals out there who have this amazing messages who could do these amazing things and help families in an amazing way. Losing weight. I have a client who helps people lose a pound of fat per day. It's like the program is amazing. I'm actually on the program right now. The program is just amazing and they've been in their own little local area in Pennsylvania and now which we're taking their program nationally and maybe hopefully eventually internationally. And when when I realized that, and again, it took me a while to finally realize that it was like, man, this is where my, my impact lies is that I, I am great at the geeky stuff. I'm great at the technology. They are not, they are horrible at it. And that's the thing. They tell me all the time, especially during the, you know, during our strategy calls and everything like that. But we're able to make it. Very, hopefully very pain-free for them. And we're able to walk them through the technology bit and get the things that we need from them in order to build the funnels and, and, and help them to, to grow, grow and scale their businesses from five, six, seven figures, actually the, the e-commerce client where, you know, we're aiming for the 10 figure, the 10 comma, 10 million, which is the two comma club X award this year.

Wally Carmichael:

Excellent. Yeah, I absolutely love it. And especially with stuff like that, because people have their, you know, like business owners are amazing at what they do as contractors, chiropractors, you name it. One of your clients is actually a co Contra chiropractor as well. And they're missing what they do. They have no business spending a bunch of time on the technology side of marketing and the technology side of setting up a funnel like click funnels or any software for that matter. They need somebody else to do that so that they can focus on what they do best. The only reason why I'm venturing into it and. Truly enjoying it is because it's something that I plan on integrating into my business model as well. Then I can have more control over it. I can easily hire somebody like yourself to come in and, you know, teach me how to do it or do it for me, or, you know, any number of things. But and I do that with some things, but I just know, you know, choose my battles. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Oh yeah. Actually the

Joel Louis:

best clients are the ones who have some knowledge of ClickFunnels and understand, you know, some details and understand the lingo and things like that. Those are the best clients who Dan say, you know, like the client that I mentioned, the e-commerce one yeah, when we met, met her, she was already a seven figure business. But we, I mean, we came in and within a very short period of time, actually within like two weeks, we help scale her business quite dramatically. And we just, we just hit a year. We just hit a year with that client now. And we continued to work with each other and continue to do amazing things with her business, but she already, she already knew to get, you know, the game, if you will. I share the new click funnels. She already had the experience and she could, she could go into click funnels and do some things on her own. But it's kind of like, what we talked about at the beginning of the conversation is, you know, figuring out where do you want to, you know, leverage other people's time to, to maximize your, your time and, and, and scale. Appropriately or just have more freedom.

Wally Carmichael:

So, yeah. And it's also a matter of, you know, what you don't know is hurting you because there's tools that you can use. And even within click funnels, sec, Excel, I mean, most people only use like a 10th of what Excel is capable of doing where if you go take our class, you're like, Oh my God, I can do that. Yeah. You know, he's just got to have somebody to show you the ropes and hold your hand and walk you across that bridge. So absolutely huge, amazing, absolutely amazing service. So what do we not talk about that you want to ensure that our button out leaders get out of our conversation and how else can we reach get more? You.

Joel Louis:

Man, we, we talk that we unpacked so much in this podcast. This is amazing. So I think, I think we talked about quite a few things. I love the conversation. Thank you for having me on in terms of getting getting in contact with me, we created a page just for the men of abundance. If they go to integrator and co.com for slash abundance we have some free resources there. There's everything. It's just one page it's clean. It's simple, not a whole bunch of distractions, like a, like a funnel should be. And and from there they could get in contact with me. They could learn more about what a phone is and you know, that kind of stuff.

Wally Carmichael:

Excellent. I greatly appreciate that. And I'll be checking that out as well. And guys we'll have that linked up in the show notes. Don't worry about having to write that down too. Well, excellent, absolutely amazing conversation. I truly appreciate your time. I dig what you're doing. Go out, live your life of abundance and keep paying it forward, man, because you are making a huge difference in the world and I greatly appreciate it.

Joel Louis:

Thank you, Wally. And I'll definitely do that. Thanks for having me on for sure.

Wally Carmichael:

Now, if you have a strong desire to live this amazing life of abundance and create your legacy of abundance, then your action step for today is simple. Just go hang out with your family, do things with them that you wouldn't normally do. Find out what interests them. I find many men, they end up doing things with their kids and with their spouse and they do things that they personally enjoy. And don't always go out and do things that your spouse and or your kids enjoy. I've got three boys and they all have their own personal interests. Now we all choose. I really enjoy going to Disney and going to universal and all the other theme parks out here in the Tampa and Orlando area and hit up every rollercoaster out there. We all absolutely love that, but there's other things that they individually, like my youngest loves playing board games. I never grew up playing board games. Therefore I'm not a fan of it, but we sit down and play board games once in a while. I'm teaching them chess because that interests him. And really the real thing about it is, is he really just likes to spend time. And that's just one way that he knows that we can do that just him and I. Now of course, there are many other things that you can do and should do to create your legacy of abundance, but we don't have time for it. All right here, I'd love to hear your comments in the Facebook group. So go check that out and go request access. If you don't already have access, if you are in the Facebook group, then let's start that conversation. Ask your question, share your comments. I love to have this conversation now. Go out, live your life of abundance and make sure to pay it forward.

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Joel Louis:

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